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The continuing adventures of the Girl Guide brouhaha


I’ve just been on the phone to the Telegraph who have said that the minister at the church where I volunteer , Reverend Brian Hunt, has suggested that churches should remove the use of the halls for free from the Guides, in a move that smacks of desperation and the church obviously trying to gain the upper hand through manipulation.

That’s not very Christian and charitable now, is it?

There’s nothing to stop churches still asking that the Guides attend parades on occasion, which is the current agreement. They can then make these parades engaging enough to perhaps convince these young women that Christianity is for them instead of dictating it like Reverend Brian Hunt wants.

This news has struck a chord with people on both sides of the debate. I’ve been in The Times, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail (who hate me, obviously, and who I won’t link to because they’re utter cunts), as well as appearing on BBC Radio York, BBC 5 Live and The Wright Stuff on channel 5, where ex-MP turned cheeky girl husband Lembit Opik called me an oppressor of Christians.

I almost cannot believe the blindness of these people, who seem to be completely unaware that the Girl Guides is not a Christian organisation, and who seem to think that by getting rid of God from the promise and replacing it with generic beliefs that they are being oppressed in some way. One opinion I have come up against is the idea that without God, there is no way for people to know how to behave. All atheists, with no holy book to guide them, are obviously selfish, nasty thieves and murderers who probably eat babies for breakfast.

Who knew that people thought like this in the UK? I was convinced that we lived in a sensible country, not like silly America with their fundamentalists and creationists. Nope, we’ve got them here too. It’s amazing that I managed to volunteer to help young women at all with my terrible atheist lack of principles.

I believe the correct term for the minister at St. Paul’s  is ‘cutting one’s nose off to spite one’s face’. Perhaps people might not be leaving the Christian faith in droves if the church was capable of having rational discussion around God and spirituality and not just threatening those who disagree with them with expulsion from the premises.

By all means, throw out the Guides if you think that’s the only solution, but don’t be surprised when you suddenly have much less people sitting on your benches than that would account for as you prove yourselves to be selfish, immoral arseholes.

Much like you think atheists are. It’s nice that we’ve got something in common.


5 thoughts on “The continuing adventures of the Girl Guide brouhaha

  1. Anonymous says:

    Hi jemface (Jemma?) I wanted to leave a comment under your post about breastfeeding in the Blues Bar, but I couldn’t see how to do it, so I’ve settled on this. I just wanted to let you know you have my support and sympathy in terms of how you were treated and potentially seeking some sort of redress (by sharing your story). So I’ve emailed the bar to tell them that I won’t be going in there again until they have apologised to you and given assurances that it won’t happen to any other women (or you) again. I don’t live in the area, but we spent a weekend in Harrogate about 6 months ago and went to the bar both evenings. We had such a good time we told everyone about it and said that if we were in the area again we would definitely go again. Well no more! And I have also urged friends to write. Let’s see if we can do something about this.
    Regards, Amy.

  2. Kerri says:

    I think I love you a little bit! Particularly for your breastfeeding post. Well said, well done and as a fellow EBF mother, I did send the bar in question a rather shouty email xD

  3. Mat Jaggard says:

    As a Christian and a young people’s group leader I can only apologise for your experience. We put a huge amount of effort into making sure that the way we represent Jesus is relevant and engaging as well as showing Jesus’ love to the young people who come into the church – as you say, there should be no need to insist.
    Having said that, running a church is often an expensive business and so why shouldn’t reasonable charges be made for the use of the premises? We charge a very small amount for local groups and a larger amount for non-local groups to cover heating, staffing, repairs, etc. Is that unfair?

  4. Hi, I actually wanted to comment on the breastfeeding post, but comments are disabled. I’ve always fed my baby in public, so I read this with interest. Luckily I’ve never been challenged, but I’d certainly have a go at anyone who had a problem with it!
    On another note, the uncredited image you use in your blog is by an artist called Sally Hewett, who once showed at a gallery I run You should really credit her in your blog and take a look at her other work too. Rights for breast feeders, rights for artists too! And I’m both 🙂

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